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Sabrina Sehbai's avatar

I also grew up in the era of these movies Paul, and even as a girl I remember them being idolized (even I idolized them). I was in martial arts for years, even taught it for years, and interestingly what I discovered was that the deeper I got into the “art” of it, the less the fighting seemed appealing and the more the discipline of mindful control felt appealing.

What I love about your posts is that you take the masculinity and cultural norms of the past; and consistently show how we can move past them into something more beautiful, more loving, more peaceful and honest.

I’m not an American, but I think the growing you so often allude to is universally relatable, and I wish every man would read your words. Makes me hopeful for my own son ❤️

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My great uncle had a small role in Red Dawn. “Boys! Avenge me! Avenge me!” We didn’t see great Uncle Harry very often- he avoided family gatherings for reasons I now understand as an adult. He took the role because as he told my uncle- “I just needed the work, I wasn’t all political about it. “ He’d been in a lot of cowboy roles before in Hollywood. He’d done his share of some messed up male roles. Some of my great uncle’s roles I truly loved and enjoyed had complexity, depth- even as a villain (Big Love) or as Travis Henderson in Paris, Texas.

The 80’s were full of action movies I didn’t particularly like- and I’m a gal who loves well choreographed battles, fights, martial arts, sword play and realistic depictions of gun use. It was very mythic action scenarios, lone wolf saves the day, or we are Americans and therefore always the good guys kind of propaganda. It was hyper masculine and kind of silly when you view it thru reality or with real soldiers or police who have gone thru war or scary situations who laugh at what is put forth on the screen. But I get why so many guys latched on to them- it’s a kind of American mythology/legends.

We are a nation founded by violence, the gun to us is like the spear and shield was to the Greeks speaking of legendary warriors and myths. We idolize and fetishize “taking action” when often, cooler warrior heads with experience will emphasize the ability to either walk away, negotiate, or to find a way that causes the least harm to yourself and others. It also feeds into the sad, horrible idea that men are flat characters- hungry, horny, or angry and maybe they will fight for justice, revenge, or a sense of innate superiority based on their country or religion. The 80’s action movies kind of flattened men- just as they flattened portrayals of female characters into tropes and stereotypes. The best action films, in my opinion, show how messy that approach really is- Saving Private Ryan, the beginning scenes, especially. The action is shored up by the drama underneath. Do I love a Guy Ritchie film? I do love some of those characters and the dark humor. Some Bond films are fun to watch- the gadgets, the chase scenes in later Craig movies.I love the John Wick films even though the gun play is just out there nuts. They are more comic book like to me, not to be taken as real world info on gun battles, spying, or how to handle gangs and thugs and criminal activities in the UK. But if you’re basing your coping skills as a human on action films- you’ll wind up in jail, dead, or severely injured.

But American exceptionalism kind of props up this silly idea of the car chase, the gun battle, the lone warrior kicking multiple enemies asses. And here we are now- a nation losing global allies right and left, a Sec of Def wanting soldiers to take additional testosterone and lying about our injured in war but not really a war because an orange thin skinned narcissist says so. No one should base their global military strategy on 80’s American action films.

I enjoyed this- because you are being honest about what it felt like as a young man at that time, viewing these films. It’s like all the cringe I feel when teen me loved some of John Hughes more problematic films and now as a middle aged adult going,” Oh wow, I actually thought that was funny or romantic or whatever.” At the time, I thought Breakfast Club was revolutionary and Sixteen Candles was hilarious. There are some bits that are still funny- but many others are just kind of icky, racist and creepy towards women.

Also- ever watch Chuck Norris in Walker, Texas Ranger? That show was completely unhinged.

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